Lizard Skin Review

[Jeeptchr]

I'm documenting my build in the "Build Thread" forum but I thought I'd share my findings about the spray on sound deadener Lizard Skin. http://www.lizardskin.com/ Keep in mind I'm still nowhere close to being able to drive the Cherokee, but still there is a marked difference between the before and after just in the shop. I choose Lizard Skin SC and CL because they act also as a seam sealer of sorts, and I could apply it inside and out without worrying about stuff getting behind the sound deadener unlike with a "Dynamat" style. I do plan on laying down some other layers of sound dampener in addition to this stuff to get the cab as quiet as I can. I also plan on coating the underside of the roof and the floorpans with the ceramic liner spray. I've already coated the underside of the floorpan and the engine side of the firewall with SC and CL and then topcoated it with U500 urethane gloss black paint.

I thought I'd do a couple of videos so everyone could see the difference of Lizard Skin Sound Control before and after coating. Here are two video's I uploaded to youtube. the first video is a bit long, but it actually has 4 different video's spliced together. I didn't edit them, so please excuse the unprofessionalism
These are linked in my build thread also

Inside roof of Cherokee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USHbQnawUqY

Transmission pan comparison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ncHHs2wdgk


Thanks, and hope this helps someone else, I couldn't find many detailed reviews that really show'd how much of a difference it made when I was trying to figure out what product to use.

[Stuka]

Great video for showing the difference. I remember when I had to pull the headliner out of my cherokee it sounded incredibly loud inside. Very similar to a snare thunder every time I hit a bump.

[jaber]

Nicely done.

If you dont mind, I'd like to pass on some info I found while researching the product. Like 95% of FSJ owners, I'm on a strict budget, so the "Lizard Skin" is not affordable for me. I did some searching and you can buy the ceramic pellets to add to your paint at a fraction of the cost. The hotrod guys have been doing it for years...

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/forums/ ... hp?t=81933

http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/alterna ... 03610.html

http://aircraftproducts.wicksaircraft.c ... b23-500--g?

[rocklaurence]

I didn't like the Lizard Skin as its not as durable [my shoes are wearing it down]. I'm going to try micro balloons with bed liners the next time. Also note: it never goes as far as advertised. The two gallons of LS allowed me to coat the fire wall and floor of my Cherokee [fairly thick] but another bucket would have been needed for the walls and roof.

[Jeeptchr]

Stuka, exactly! And thanks, I couldn't find any comparison videos anywhere on the net so I figured I'd just make one.

Jabber, I researched the micro gallons also, what concerned me was the latex paint as the bonding/substrate. I was worried about how long I'd have to wait before I could topcoat it, or if my urethane (or bedliner) topcoat would stay adhered over time. With LS its a water based acrylic that is flexible and doesn't need a primer coat (or scuffing) before topcoating. I read that entire thread on the hot rodeos forum, it was very informative reading. Using bedliner for the bonding /substrate possibly would have worked though. The cost savings would have been considerable though if it worked.
Trust me I understand limited budgets . I bought all of my LS over a couple of months, from http://www.donhart.com/. They had the best pricing of anyone I could find and saved me quite a few hundred dollars over summit or jegs. Also the guy that handles the web sales has personally shot it in his Xj, so he had experience and wasn't just a sales guy.

Rocklaurence, Yeah, wear was a concern of mine also, but I know I'm going to carpet the floor so I wasn't too worried about scuffing wearing it down. I talked to the engineer at LS and he was telling me about a spray on topcoat they will have available after the first of the year to address topcoating for wear and color. Do you have carpet? That sounds about right, I used 2 gal of each on the underside and engine side firewall, and 3 gal of sc on the roof, floor pan, sides, and cabin firewall. I haven't shot the doors, tailgate or insides of the rear quarters as I'm waiting till the bodywork gets done. I figure 1 gal will be pretty close to cover them. Anything that is added is more than was there from factory was my way of thinking.
Did you notice much of a difference driving?


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[SJTD]

The problem with the home brew threads is they seem to lump the SC and insulating stuff together in their discussions. I don't think the micro balloons do anything for sound. I think there's some other filler in the sound control.

[Jeeptchr]

They are definitely different compositions, while both are thick (think thicker than a milkshake) and you shoot it out of a gun with a 5/16 nozzle. The SC weighs quite a bit per gallon, and the CL weighs almost nothing. You also can't apply them both together at the same time. If using them together the CL has to be shot last and only after letting the SC dry out for 24 hrs.



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[rocklaurence]

I added Micro Ballons to my last use of Monsterliner. It didnt seam to have any effect on the thickness or sound deadnening. Maybe I didnt use enough MB--IDK???

[SJTD]

Whatsit do to the texture?

Is Monsterliner smooth or does it have chunky stuff in it?

Spam proved useful for once. It bumped an interesting thread.

[Jeeptchr]

I was curious about the micro balloons and if they worked, I almost went that route myself. I still have no on road sound test as the Cherokee is still setting in the back of the shop behind enough lumber to build a barn...

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[rocklaurence]

IMO, the Bedliner is too thick to be air-rated by the ballons.