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safari snorkel

Postby Green&Loud » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:25 pm

This isn't a mod ill get to anytime soon, but I was wondering if anyone has made a custom safari style snorkel for a fsj? You know, one that doesn't look like a ghetto rigged pvc pipe with cotton balls shoved in it for a filter ;) I'm thinking about a snorkel in a year or 2, just wanted some ideas to build off of. Thanks to all!
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Re: safari snorkel

Postby Gumby » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:37 pm

Totally useless running a carb, IMHO.
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Re: safari snorkel

Postby Green&Loud » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:38 pm

What's the best option with a carb then?
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Re: safari snorkel

Postby wewillsurvive » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:13 pm

I would disagree anything that will help keep water out of carb is a benefit. It won't make it waterproof but it will make it more difficult to get water in it.

I am no help as to what to use though and with the fender hood setup it maybe rather difficult.
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Re: safari snorkel

Postby HowardT64 » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:45 pm

One day I will get one...for now the suspension is the main issue :)
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Re: safari snorkel

Postby Fleg » Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:58 pm

wewillsurvive wrote:I would disagree anything that will help keep water out of carb is a benefit. It won't make it waterproof but it will make it more difficult to get water in it.

I am no help as to what to use though and with the fender hood setup it maybe rather difficult.


If your in water so deep that water could get in your carb with the stock setup then you have bigger problems.

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Re: safari snorkel

Postby Atla » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:09 pm

Fleg wrote:If your in water so deep that water could get in your carb with the stock setup then you have bigger problems.


Truth.

Are you actually going to be crossing rivers? Or is it just for the coolness factor? (Nothing wrong with that btw)

But if your going to need it, than you'll need to do some more work on waterproofing.
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Re: safari snorkel

Postby Blazer3664 » Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:51 pm

Everybody is right about the water, lot more problems to worry about before the carb.

One thing about a snorkel that a lot of folks overlook though. If you run dusty dirt/gravel roads much, it will help get clean(er) air to your filter.

To me a snorkel for water is more for those instances where its " OH POO.... that is deeper than it was last time!!!!" Then you get the heck OUT of the water (hopefully) and CHECK EVERYTHING for contamination.
There are a lot of ways for water to get in things that are supposed to have oil in them. Milkshake oil doesn't lube things very well.

If you plan to go swimming any deeper than the bottom of you axles, save yourself some suffering, get out of your FSJ first. ;)

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Re: safari snorkel

Postby Green&Loud » Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:05 pm

:funnypost:

As mentioned above, I'm more interested in it for the clean air factor. I don't plan on crossing any deep water, but if I do, id much rather have a litttle water in the oil than a completely water logged and non running engine. While I realize that a snorkel wont completely model the water out of the carb, its just one more barrier between myself and my doom.

And yes, it looks cool too :D
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Postby Fleg » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:18 pm

That clean air thing is a myth as well. Next time your driving down a dirt road behind a car stick your head out the window and enjoy that clean air!

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Postby Green&Loud » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:44 pm

Ill be sure to do that. I was watching a documentary on the new American Expedition Vehicle jeep truck and they were talking about how they put snorkels on their trucks not only for water crossing purposes, but also to help keep dirt and dust out of the air filter. You are definately right about getting crop dusted behind a car on a dirt road, but it would help to have the intake higher when you're not behind someone. I end up with dust all in my engine compartment after a drive down a dirt road from the front tires stirring up dust. My roof, on the other hand, is usually pretty clean. And when you follow behind a car its not going to matter whether its under the hood or on the roof, you're in a cloud either way.

So thats what ill choose to believe, but thanks for your input! After all, if nobody questioned theories the world would still be flat :D
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Re: safari snorkel

Postby Jesse baker » Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:41 pm

what jerry did to his Cherokee is the best and economical idea. he3 routed his air filter through the cab. I agree with the whole dust theory, have you seen heavy equipment? next time you do look for there air intake.

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Postby Fleg » Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:28 pm

Jesse baker wrote:what jerry did to his Cherokee is the best and economical idea. he3 routed his air filter through the cab. I agree with the whole dust theory, have you seen heavy equipment? next time you do look for there air intake.


It's mounted where it is on heavy equipment due to the huge size of the filter. Where else are you going to mount it?

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Re: safari snorkel

Postby Southern Gorilla » Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:18 am

Getting water in the carb isn't only an issue with deep water. Splashing in shallow water can get water all over the engine compartment. Especially with the fan slinging it around. And the "cool" factor can't be denied.

Speaking of cool, a snorkel is also a fantastic cold air intake system.

What would be really cool would be if somebody made these in a scale more suitable to FSJs;
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Re: safari snorkel

Postby serehill » Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:40 am

Lots of snorkels systems have been made. There are several universal kits you can install that are perfect. When starting to consider this you must also consider the entire electrical system. ECM, distributor, coil, Firewall plug & alternator will all be affected. Also if the water gets high enough that the snorkel is needed there will be about 18" of water in the interior. Before the rig gets that Kind of water in it will float for about 30 seconds unless you drill a bunch of holes in it.

But to reduce splatter at lower water level the snorkel will help. You should also consider you need to convert to an electric fan with a Bypass switch.

You might want to consider just for the simplicity of it connecting your air cleaner into the vent cowl simplest and functional clean & cheap.
Once you google the snorkel kit you'll see. This will become an option when you see the cost of the snorkels. It's been done a lot.
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Re: safari snorkel

Postby Southern Gorilla » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:24 am

Kidding aside, I found what I think would be the most practical style snorkel for a regular FSJ;
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That gives you a cold air intake and decent splash protection. The shrouded intake should even help a bit with dust. Best of all, I can easily see using PVC bits for a DIY version. It also looks more subdued. And it isn't hanging out in the way of everything.
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Re: safari snorkel

Postby jaber » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:51 am

The part that stands in my mind is that when I have certain passengers even a small, shallow puddle will soak the hood, windshield, and passy side, in all of my Jeeps. Using that style, or even the cowl is not much improvement to me.
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Re: safari snorkel

Postby Fleg » Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:10 am

Not to mention every single snorkel I've seen installed havr used feet of PVC pipe and multiple elbows to install it adding a lot of restrictions.

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Re: safari snorkel

Postby haminawag » Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:57 am

serehill wrote:Also if the water gets high enough that the snorkel is needed there will be about 18" of water in the interior. Before the rig gets that Kind of water in it will float for about 30 seconds unless you drill a bunch of holes in it.


That's funny, if the water gets too deep you'll drown but your Jeep will make it through to the other side, I can see it on the news now, "...film at 11:00". But he's right, if this is a deep water issue then you have a LOT of other things to think about before worrying whether the carb. will ingest water. If the alternator swamps it could kill your ignition system. then you'd need a good battery and a winch, (and maybe a life jacket). If the distributor swamps...well...back to the winch and life jacket.

If it's a clean air issue then just be sure you have a good air filter. But if you REALLY just want a snorkle, then nothing looks cooler than about 4 feet of round ducting sticking straight up through your hood, like a velocity stack on steroids. :lol:
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Re: safari snorkel

Postby Southern Gorilla » Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:28 pm

jaber wrote:The part that stands in my mind is that when I have certain passengers even a small, shallow puddle will soak the hood, windshield, and passy side, in all of my Jeeps. Using that style, or even the cowl is not much improvement to me.

Interesting. It is possible to install that style with a longer tube. That would solve that problem. But then it becomes a visibility issue. I like that style because it doesn't look like the normal snorkel. The usual style seems a bit like the 4x4 equivalent of "rice" to me.
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