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Greetings from Argentina. Check this wagoneer please!

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Hello, iam from BA, ARG. Dont own any jeep...yet.

I was in the search of a gladiator 4x4, and found this specimen, wich is extremely rare here in the deep south.

The Wagoneer did not reach this lands, only the jeep pick ups (named IKA Gladiator, super V, super X and later replaced with the Jeep T80 and T1000 names). I always loved the wagoneer, but never have the chance to see one in person, and this week i just found this weird frankenwagon.
Is in pretty bad shape, and the rear door/gate seems to be handmade.
What can the jeep fans tell me about ? it is supposed to be from 1968...

Thanks a lot

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The rear mount AC is interesting. I remember last time I was in Mexico I saw a few interesting Wagoneers. A few that had been cut into trucks.

As for the year of this one, hard to tell, as several parts from various years. It does have the rounded flares up front that we never got here in the USA.

Looks like it would be a lot of work. But the body doesn't look that bad, it just needs to be completely stripped and repainted.
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I am in awe. What a great piece of history and must have quite a story how it made it to the lands of Argentina.

If you decide to save it... and you need parts (small enough that they can be shipped from USA) ... let me know what you need.

In addition to the limited xtra parts I have... there is a scrapyard 40 miles from me that has 9 Jeep pickups & Wagoneers from the 60s & 70s era that still have a lot of usable parts.

There should be a tag on the front drivers door column (you should see the tag on the right column just as you open the door).

That tag should have the year & VIN (Vehicle Id Number).

There are a few members here on FSJ Network that would be interested in the info from that tag... whether you decide to save it or not.
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1971J4000 wrote:I am in awe. What a great piece of history and must have quite a story how it made it to the lands of Argentina.

If you decide to save it... and you need parts (small enough that they can be shipped from USA) ... let me know what you need.

In addition to the limited xtra parts I have... there is a scrapyard 40 miles from me that has 9 Jeep pickups & Wagoneers from the 60s era that still have a lot of usable parts.

There should be a tag on the front drivers door column (you should see the tag on the right column just as you open the door).

That tag should have the year & VIN (Vehicle Id Number).

There are a few members here on FSJ Network that would be interested in the info from that tag... whether you decide to save it or not.
Thanks!

Restore this awesome car will be very hard and expensive here. Iam talking to the owners wife these days (owner is truck driver)
What i know from now, is that the engine as been replaced for a tornado 230 (wich is the most common engine on all IKA jeeps) and another issue is the distance. We are more than 1000 miles appart .
I will keep the post updated!

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Completely understood. It would be a mighty project here too.

I wonder if you could ask the owner's wife if she would take a picture of the tag and send it to you.

It will look something like this...

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In my opinion... unless there is major rust in need of repair... I'd clean it up... rub the whole thing down with degreaser... and put a rust inbiting clear coat over it just the way she is. As long as no broken glass or leaking window & door seals...this works out great because you do not have to disturb the seals & the glass.

The way she looks right now... the condition of the paint... are all a big part of that interesting 50 year story and could be possibly be "preserved".

I just wanted to clarify... and just to make you think about it again... whatever parts you need that I can reasonably ship from the USA will be at no charge to you for the parts and no charge to you for the shipping.

It will be a good reason for me to spend a weekend at the junk yard with one of my nephews... and our reward would come later when we see more pictures.
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What a cool Jeep! I love combing over photos like this so I'll offer my thoughts on some of the body parts:

Taillights are early/first generation Wagoneer. The lack of the 70s style chrome molding around them puts this anywhere from 63-late 60s. I'm not entirely sure if the small, circular reverse lights were optional or if they came out towards the late 60s. At any rate, the rear quarters on this Wag don't seem to have them.

I'd bet the "cheese grater" style early 70s grille replaced an original rhino grille at some point.

Of course the axles could be swapped, like any parts could be swapped, but if they're stock they also point to a pre-74 rig with the 5 lug 5x5.5 bolt pattern. I wonder if the front is a Dana 44 or, more likely, a Dana 30.

It would be quite interesting to find out how the Jeep arrived in Argentina! Thanks for the photos.
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1971J4000 wrote:Completely understood. It would be a mighty project here too.

I wonder if you could ask the owner's wife if she would take a picture of the tag and send it to you.

It will look something like this...

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In my opinion... unless there is major rust in need of repair... I'd clean it up... rub the whole thing down with degreaser... and put a rust inbiting clear coat over it just the way she is. As long as no broken glass or leaking window & door seals...this works out great because you do not have to disturb the seals & the glass.

The way she looks right now... the condition of the paint... are all a big part of that interesting 50 year story and could be possibly be "preserved".

I just wanted to clarify... and just to make you think about it again... whatever parts you need that I can reasonably ship from the USA will be at no charge to you for the parts and no charge to you for the shipping.

It will be a good reason for me to spend a weekend at the junk yard with one of my nephews... and our reward would come later when we see more pictures.
Again, thanks a lot.
I need to keep talking with the owner when he get back home.
As for now, i know the replacement engine dont have papers (in Arg you cant change the engine of any car freely, engines have ID # too) and he's not the original owner. Apperently is someone from his town.
Price is not high, actually is pretty decent (around usd1500). The issue is the distance (just added a pic with a google map screenshot). I have to talk about transport and i am not sure if the owner would agree to do the deal at the distance (i think he want cash in hand).

About the project, i have to say i really appreciate your help and enthusiasm, because being honest, i am a complete noob at car repairs and restoration. Still, i have a friend who's mechanic and is eager to help.

I will ask the the ID car when i have the chance to talk with him.

And BTW, sorry for my english! lol

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Much better than my Spanish!


Strange tailgate.

Bottom seems higher than the bed. Don't see any lifters.

Must weigh a ton even hollowed out as it is.
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Well, bad news for me. The wagoneer is gone. I think someone else took it. I was trying to contact the seller all week but never answered my phone calls.
Now the ad is gone.

I will keep searching for a jeep pick up now (that was the original idea) .
Thanks to everyone!

I will post news if i find the gladiator iam looking for

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Lets hope it is being saved...

And who knows... it might show up again on this forum...

Good luck with your search for an FSJ... it took me 14 years to find mine... and it was worth every second of searching now that I have it.

My offer for small parts is still good if you find one.

Here are a few places to look online...

https://autos.mercadolibre.com.ar/jeep/ ... -gladiator

https://vehiculos.mercadolibre.com.ar/jeep-gladiator

https://autos.mitula.com.ar/autos/camio ... -gladiator

https://www.alamaula.com/s-camionetas/j ... 68a2mamop1

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right now, the used car market is in a rare situation. The USD went from 1usd/$20 to almost 40$ per usd. So right now used cars are cheap in USD, but most sellers dont want to sell their cars.
I will keep searching, no rush.
Believe or not, one of the best places to look right now, is the Facebook Marketplace (i found the wagoneer there).

Here are some pics, rare ones included

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and some cool TV ads from the 60's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o453oOnkUpk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEKhCfBVZuE
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gonzalocatalino wrote:
and some cool TV ads from the 60's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o453oOnkUpk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEKhCfBVZuE
Great pictures and LOVE the videos... 4 people in the Gladiator Cab on a bench seat... that is great!!!

Here is another video from 73

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw9QrGLtd8A
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Thanks for sharing the videos
I guess that the first video concerns a Gladiator Super X or Super V, rare view of the original interior at 1:47
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