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I would like to work on the ride of my 89, keeping it stock height. Before I do shocks/ springs should I face the effort of body mounts? I believe I want bilsteins for shocks and found own leaf count springs from General Spring. Would be interested in what the community thinks!
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I am changing out the springs on my ‘88 Wagoneer soon, and plan on tackling the body mounts at the same time (or first). If the focus is on improving the ride (which mine is), you have to tackle the body mounts (if they are original).

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I’m 5’8 and wife is shorter, so stock height. I would like to go on the expressway without the fear factor.
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There are a few options for stock height springs. Bilstein makes a great shock. Be sure to get some that are valved for use with leaf springs, as coil spring shocks tend to be more firm.

For the body mounts, what condition are they in now? If they are showing obvious signs of dry rot and cracking, replacing them would also be a good idea.
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Hey, Johnzi10, I had a similar situation a couple of years back & went with Daytons from SDTruckSprings; take it from me - pay extra to get US-made springs. For shocks, I did Monroe Gas-Magnums on the front & Load-Levellers on the back.

Link to my quest to return our Wagoneer to stock height from 3-in lift.
https://www.fsjnetwork.com/forum/viewto ... =7&t=17603
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Been a good thread and a lot to consider here on new spring instal.
What I got in summing things up is The Idea if air bags & better shocks seems like what I’ll lean towards.
Those will do what I need, and perhaps the spring perch block “IF” leveling issue arise.
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ESPO Springs and Things should have stock replacements.
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When you decide on final version of Bilstiens shock the dots your rig, let us know here.
I want that brand too so would like to have all info available to help me make decision which ones might work and why etc.

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I noticed the other day that BJ's Offroad has just announced they're now selling stock springs. They really seem to care bout the community as well as their reputation so it may be something to consider.
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I believe the Bilsten shocks are based on oem height or if you have it lifted. Just sent quote to ESPO springs and things asking to quote OEM height as well as 2” lift. I thought that was the only factor for what shock to use. Maybe there are others for “Heavy Duty” or towing. Will visit Bilsten website.
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j10builder wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:12 pm I noticed the other day that BJ's Offroad has just announced they're now selling stock springs. They really seem to care bout the community as well as their reputation so it may be something to consider.
Stock springs made by crown that sag? Made in china probably. Unless they recently added dayton springs which i doubt. There are so many variations of springs for the wagoneers. Older ones had 2 front leafs. Some had 5. Newer wagoneers had 7 ect.. i doubt bjs has the american made dayton springs.


I think i was the first here on these forums to find originals and do it. I replaced my springs maybe 4 years ago ? I got them from two sources. But they were both from Dayton parts. Made in PA USA. Here is my thread and pics of install and before and after pics of the lift i gained from old springs

viewtopic.php?t=12324

The front springs you want are 7 leaf 97-400 or 97-402 depends on how much much capacity you want them to have. I got 97-402 for more weight capacity. I believe they are 1455 lbs vs factory 1330 or so.

The rear springs are 97-485. 1150lbs 4/1 springs.

https://www.truckspring.com/products/tr ... 7-485.aspx

https://www.truckspring.com/products/tr ... 7-402.aspx.

In 2020 summer i decided i wanted a lift and 31 inch tires. I opted to go with an add a leaf. It only gave me 1inch though unfortunatly.. i had to go after rustys offroad for that bullcrap they never tested it on new springs.. . I gained only half the advertised lift because those add a leafs are ment for old springs. Since mine were new i gained But that 1 inch but it looks ok... It made the Jeep look good pretty good. Still mad i didnt even get 1.5 or 2 inchs though

This is my Jeep currently. With the 97-402/97-485 and the add a leaf with 31x10.5r15 mastercraft courser mxts on. Based on the way it sits i could probly push 32x11.5r15s but i saw no point in that. I get 0 rub atm

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candymancan wrote: Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:35 pm
j10builder wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:12 pm I noticed the other day that BJ's Offroad has just announced they're now selling stock springs. They really seem to care bout the community as well as their reputation so it may be something to consider.
Stock springs made by crown that sag? Made in china probably. Unless they recently added dayton springs which i doubt. There are so many variations of springs for the wagoneers. Older ones had 2 front leafs. Some had 5. Newer wagoneers had 7 ect.. i doubt bjs has the american made dayton springs.
They carry American made Deaver versions now.

https://www.bjsoffroad.com/BJs-Off-Road ... _2170.html
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Oh nice, but still gives 0 info on the springs. No measurements. No weight capacity. Mid to lower 80s wagoneers had 900 or so lbs weight capacity from springs. Mine have 1450. Stock was 1330. There is a giant difference there.

It also says its only 6 in the front. Factory was 7 on the later years and 4 in the rear with an overload
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candymancan wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:17 pm Oh nice, but still gives 0 info on the springs. No measurements. No weight capacity. Mid to lower 80s wagoneers had 900 or so lbs weight capacity from springs. Mine have 1450. Stock was 1330. There is a giant difference there.

It also says its only 6 in the front. Factory was 7 on the later years and 4 in the rear with an overload
They have a section you can ask questions about the product. I've used it. They'll find out whatever you want to know.

Measurements don't matter. They're stock springs. They'll measure the same as new springs would from factory. Weight capactity will affect ride. More capacity will stiffen the ride. A bonus for curves, but you'll lose the soft cushy feel these rigs are known for.

If you want a catered ride, then having springs made to personal specs is the way to go.

For whatever reason, you just want to bash on BJ's as a spring option and keep saying they have china springs. They do. But they also have US sourced springs. I'm simply giving that option for the OP's information.
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Youre wrong they arent STOCK springs.. the later year Grands here use 7 leafs. Not 6. Which means these springs will most likely be stiffer than factory to keep factory height. Clearly whoever made these springs didnt follow factory specs like dayton did. Dayton has dozens of options. This spring is just a 1 all be all spring. With again.. no specs whatsoever.

Maybe some in the 70s used 6 ? But the later years didnt. If you want factory.. get factory

As for bashing bjs. I wont argue with you buddy. All im saying is i wouldnt spend 1,000$ on something with no measurements of spring arch, Weight capacity and they dont even use the factory set of spring count. By all means go email em for it though.
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According to the last guy who bought the Dayton springs, is there is no guarantee of US made. Just something to watch out for.

https://www.fsjnetwork.com/forum/viewto ... =7&t=17603
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