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Body lift and tire fitment

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Hi guys. I’ve been looking all over to find what kind of tires I can fit under my Wagoneer. I believe it has a 3” body lift only. That’s what the body mount looks like at least. I’m not positive about the spring but I think they may be factory from 91. I have 31x19.5x15 now, but to me it looks like I can fit 285x75x16 (33x11.5 roughly), but I am no expert to off roading. Two inches on height and one in width doesn’t seem like that much... Will the bigger wheels fit with new factory height springs?
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Re: Body lift and tire fitment

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It does no look like you have a body lift, as the bumpers still line up properly.

It may have a slight suspension lift, but really it looks like a stock suspension that is not sagged. 33's are not going to fit with the way it currently sits.
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It’s definitely a body lift but one that is done well by the previous owner. The spring look pretty saggy to me as well.
Here’s a picture showing how much frame is visible and one of the mounts.
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Ahh, so the body lift is making up for the super saggy springs. I still don't think 33's will fit. The sticking point is rear tire clearance to the front edge of the fender. Thats the first place it rubs. A WT Cherokee would fit 33's no problem. But on NT's it can be tight without trimming, and your body looks to be pretty nice to cut up.

Now, if you go with a 16" wheel, be careful of backspacing, most have 4.5-4.75" of BS, which will suck them in compared to your current 15's. And, 265/75R16 may fit. They are a 32x10.50ish
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Re: Body lift and tire fitment

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Yeah I’ve been looking at 4” backspacing wheels, as well as that size you mentioned. I think I may just start there when I do the new springs, wheels, and tires. See what the clearances look like with that and assess my options. The drivers side rear fender is pretty rusty - the body looks better in pics lol! Thanks for the help.
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I would replace the springs before looking at what fits. Generally a 3" lift will fit you 31s but you have to be mindful of the backspacing. 4" will fit 31s no trouble and with some trimming and careful wheel selection could fit 33s. Why do you want 16" wheels? More rubber is better than more wheel for off road use and there are a ton of 15" wheels with 3.75 backspacing ideal for narrow track rigs. I'd say go for a 2-3" spring lift, with your body lift you can stuff 32s under there no problem.
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I was looking at 16s because I can find 33x11.5 (metric equivalents) but with 15s it tend to go to the wider 12.5... considering the problem with the GW is the tire rubbing the outer fender, I figured I could get away with 11.5 easier. Am I wrong?
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IMO, leave the BL and add a 3-4" spring lift. Then cut the fenders until 40's fit

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Re: Body lift and tire fitment

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Lol. I want this to still fit in my garage!
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HandofGod wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:41 am Lol. I want this to still fit in my garage!
See my sig. I run 37" tires with a SOA on the front and Shackle flip in the back. I have a custom roof rack and it just clears the garage door.

What kind of wheeling are you planning? The Achilles heel of our rigs is the long overhang behind the rear wheel. I smashed the heck out of mine on my waggy with 31" tires and a 4" spring lift. Your body lift will be a BIG help.
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Re: Body lift and tire fitment

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While I’d love to be able to go out west and try Moab or something like that, I live in Alabama, so I’ll mostly be exposed to muddy tails and hills and stuff like that.
I want this thing to be well mannered on road and not look over-the-top off road built. My wife loves this car right now but would not like it at all if I went that route. I’m planning on some Killer32 nerf bars to protect the rockers and give her a step (she’s already struggling slightly to get in it) and with those I could probably do a 2-3” lift and get away with minimal complaint - problem is I just bought brand new shocks for factory height :banghead:
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My killer 32 sliders have taken a lot of abuse. I wouldn't recommend them as a step up but with your body lift there will be a bit of room between them and the rocker so it might work.

Here they are on my old waggy:

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and here the are repurposed for the Cherokee:

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You can see they set pretty tight to the body.
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Yeah those look good, and like you said, with the body lift they should work OK as a step. Probably pair it with the evil twin hand grabs for the A-pillars. Like the look of those better than the other options I’ve found.
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I’m running 32x11.5 on a 3” lift, I haven’t had it off-road yet but on the street no clearance issues with fenders, they do rub the springs when turning to sharp

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That looks really good. I’m ok with giving up a little bit of turning radius, so the spring rub can be address bu adjusting the stops. Are your tires inside the fenders completely?
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Re: Body lift and tire fitment

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HandofGod wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:46 pm Yeah those look good, and like you said, with the body lift they should work OK as a step. Probably pair it with the evil twin hand grabs for the A-pillars. Like the look of those better than the other options I’ve found.
You might want to put a little bit of the 3m style 'sandpaper' tape stuff to help with traction for the feet while using them as a step.

All the cool kids have Evil Twin hand grabs. ;) Evil twin did the red jeeps bumpers and the sweet custom roof rack I talked about above.
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will e wrote:
HandofGod wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:41 am Lol. I want this to still fit in my garage!
See my sig. I run 37" tires with a SOA on the front and Shackle flip in the back. I have a custom room rack and it just clears the garage door.

What kind of wheeling are you planning? The Achilles heel of our rigs is the long overhang behind the rear wheel. I smashed the heck out of mine on my waggy with 31" tires and a 4" spring lift. Your body lift will be a BIG help.
What springs are you using?


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Re: Body lift and tire fitment

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Hspencer wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:51 pm
will e wrote:
HandofGod wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:41 am Lol. I want this to still fit in my garage!
See my sig. I run 37" tires with a SOA on the front and Shackle flip in the back. I have a custom room rack and it just clears the garage door.

What kind of wheeling are you planning? The Achilles heel of our rigs is the long overhang behind the rear wheel. I smashed the heck out of mine on my waggy with 31" tires and a 4" spring lift. Your body lift will be a BIG help.
What springs are you using?


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Thanks for the info, I’m thinking about doing a similar setup on my Cherokee if I ever find the time to get back on it.


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