China.dodgerammit wrote:I seen somewhere the entire global economy is in debt. How much, I can't remember. But who are we in debt to at a global level? I don't think the bill will come due. I think it'll be a massive reset. Won't be pretty either way.tedlovesjeeps71 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:47 pm I gave up trying to make sense of the “numbers” back around December. The reality is they are all skewed in one way or another. From the onset with China playing their games to the introduction of the virus to the US via a multitude of directions. Add in the spread by those who carried it but showed no symptoms, those who were never tested, those who died but the cause was labeled as something other than the virus or were not tested post expiration...
The numbers just don’t even serve a purpose anymore.
Some look at them and see some reincarnation of the Spanish flu or the Black Plague. Some look at the numbers and are told things are getting better, the “curve” is flattening.
I’m not an unsympathetic guy and I know we need to do what we can to try and protect those who are high risk from this. But for me, my true fear is the way our nation has been forced into the idea that they must stay home, not work, and believe the government will provide for all their needs. And the unfathomable level of spending being spewed in all directions... that bill will come due. And THAT concerns me greatly.
There was (supposedly) a guy that died from the virus who worked in a building about 1/2 mile from where I work. Anyone who doesn’t understand that this virus is everywhere now is living in denial.bigun wrote:Found out today the first three cases in my county were in our little town of 900. According to the article one member of a family had been traveling came home and infected 2 more members. Our pudgy little mayor was jumping up and down with joy telling the newspaper I have been warning everyone but everybody ignored me! Yeah you pudgy butt fool the first thing you did was turn every intersection off the main highway though town into a 4 way stop
Drugstore only allows you 6 feet into the door when you stop to pick up your prescriptions, grocery store has put in a foot pumped hand washing station outside, bank is strictly drive up and the line was 4 cars deep, mom always draws out cash for her hairdos, but since the stylist is shut down for the month she has no need. Stopped at the grocery store to pick up lunch meat for my evening sandwich, hamburger meat, and eggs. then came home
Sorta. In some cases that is what is reported. In some cases it was the opposite. Seems to depend on what tptb are trying to accomplish.bigun wrote:The problem is anyone who dies at this time is said to die of Covid 19, even if they were known to be dying of cancer and other disease or bodily malfunction
Even China is in debt.tedlovesjeeps71 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:49 amChina.dodgerammit wrote:I seen somewhere the entire global economy is in debt. How much, I can't remember. But who are we in debt to at a global level? I don't think the bill will come due. I think it'll be a massive reset. Won't be pretty either way.tedlovesjeeps71 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:47 pm I gave up trying to make sense of the “numbers” back around December. The reality is they are all skewed in one way or another. From the onset with China playing their games to the introduction of the virus to the US via a multitude of directions. Add in the spread by those who carried it but showed no symptoms, those who were never tested, those who died but the cause was labeled as something other than the virus or were not tested post expiration...
The numbers just don’t even serve a purpose anymore.
Some look at them and see some reincarnation of the Spanish flu or the Black Plague. Some look at the numbers and are told things are getting better, the “curve” is flattening.
I’m not an unsympathetic guy and I know we need to do what we can to try and protect those who are high risk from this. But for me, my true fear is the way our nation has been forced into the idea that they must stay home, not work, and believe the government will provide for all their needs. And the unfathomable level of spending being spewed in all directions... that bill will come due. And THAT concerns me greatly.
“Debt” is a strange, highly complex term when one is discussing global economies but it can be broken down to a very simple example. As Americans we are taught debt isn’t bad. Get a credit card. Mortgage a house. Lease a car. Student loans. Soldiers, get a STaR card. Etc.
Problem is that the bill comes due eventually. And when interest is added to a large debt, eventually the money charged to let you borrow exceeds what your able to pay, never mind the principal.
But at the end of the day, debt is simply an agreement to repay what was willingly borrowed.
If they eventually prove that this virus was indeed manufactured in China’s bio weapons lab, the world should send the bill to China. Yes, that would probably collapse the global economy and the world would change in a drastic way but, maybe it is time for that?
Congrats on being debt free!!!! That is awesome! We are not but we don’t live a spendy lifestyle and keep trying to chip away at it as we can.dodgerammit wrote:Even China is in debt.tedlovesjeeps71 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:49 amChina.dodgerammit wrote: I seen somewhere the entire global economy is in debt. How much, I can't remember. But who are we in debt to at a global level? I don't think the bill will come due. I think it'll be a massive reset. Won't be pretty either way.
“Debt” is a strange, highly complex term when one is discussing global economies but it can be broken down to a very simple example. As Americans we are taught debt isn’t bad. Get a credit card. Mortgage a house. Lease a car. Student loans. Soldiers, get a STaR card. Etc.
Problem is that the bill comes due eventually. And when interest is added to a large debt, eventually the money charged to let you borrow exceeds what your able to pay, never mind the principal.
But at the end of the day, debt is simply an agreement to repay what was willingly borrowed.
If they eventually prove that this virus was indeed manufactured in China’s bio weapons lab, the world should send the bill to China. Yes, that would probably collapse the global economy and the world would change in a drastic way but, maybe it is time for that?
That said, we are debt free. Have been for about 2 years now. Wonderful feeling especially now.
I'm not gonna start on tin foil theories.
Just to be clear, there are two ways a death of COVID-19 is counted. One is "complications from" which typically means there was an existing issue that COVID-19 made worse. The other is just "from", which means it was an otherwise healthy person.
The Theodore Roosevelt had implemented a bunch of things soon as the first case showed up. Which included entire ship sensitization twice a day. They limited how many could be in certain areas such as the mess hall at one time, etc. So he did everything he could to slow it.will e wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:39 am The Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier had almost every person tested. The infection rate was about 6% (286 positive out of about 5000 crew). Obviously I don't know what measures they took once they realized it was on board. And I have never been on an aircraft carrier. But it seems to me that's a pretty low rate of infection considering social distancing is probably more difficult on an aircraft carrier. I am going to guess the death rate will be pretty low due to the age demographics on a carrier, so I wouldn't jump to any conclusions if it is.
This is just an observation. Perhaps it is not as infectious as is suspected?
If you look at the NYC numbers. Out of 8.9 million people we have 81803 confirmed cases. Yes, they have been social distancing and are basically on lockdown now BUT they weren't when this first broke. That's an infection rate of about .09%
Again, this is a place where people were packed in pretty tight. They share elevators, escalators, subways, cabs, etc. It seems like there should have been more infections if it is a easily spread as is suspected.
Not everyone in the country. But in defined areas that had outbreaks. And the US is now doing a lot of testing, but even at that, doctors are saying that they don't have enough to test everybody that should be tested. But its getting better, high volume production always has to ramp up time. And the new 15 minute test will help a ton, instead of having to ship test samples back to a lab.will e wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:41 am Thanks Stuka for the additional info on the carrier. It still seems like a low rate on the carrier for something that is supposed to be highly contagious.
Are you saying China and South Korea have tested every one in their countries? The data in this article shows USA as having tested the most people. South Korea and Italy beat us on testing rates.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing
Which is part of why I believe the Aircraft carrier’s numbers will seem low. It spreads all over the boat, some have serious reactions to it after X number of days, some don’t. Unless they plan to keep testing everyone on a regular basis they will always show lower numbers.Stuka wrote:Not everyone in the country. But in defined areas that had outbreaks. And the US is now doing a lot of testing, but even at that, doctors are saying that they don't have enough to test everybody that should be tested. But its getting better, high volume production always has to ramp up time. And the new 15 minute test will help a ton, instead of having to ship test samples back to a lab.will e wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:41 am Thanks Stuka for the additional info on the carrier. It still seems like a low rate on the carrier for something that is supposed to be highly contagious.
Are you saying China and South Korea have tested every one in their countries? The data in this article shows USA as having tested the most people. South Korea and Italy beat us on testing rates.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing
As for how contagious this is, it is much more contagious than the common flu. BUT, that's partly because we have flu vaccines, so a lot of people just won't catch it. The other item of note is that SARS-COV2-19 can take up to 14 days to show symptoms, but a person can start spreading the virus to others after only a few days of becoming infected. So there is this huge lag time that makes reacting to it tough.
There is about a half dozen different tests used currently with different degrees of accuracy.letank wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:09 pm the test is 85% accurate... can yield false positive as well as false negative... basically as long as you do not have underlying conditions such as kidney disease, diabetes, heart conditions or lungs issues you should fare better.
Wishing the best to those sailors and the others serving the country in these challenging times
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