1414D Super Custom and 1414X Custom Special Wagoneers

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1414D Super Custom and 1414X Custom Special Wagoneers

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Hi Guys-

Just joined this merry band!

Working on two stories about the Super Custom and Custom Special Wagoneers. One will be in my monthly "Backwards Glances" column in Four Wheeler and the other will come later in Dispatcher magazine (the Jeep enthusiast magazine for collectors). I have a lot of sources for info, including a couple of people here, and some new information, but I see a lot of good Super content here and think maybe I should make a general announcement/request here. This is a Jeep story that deserves to be told better than it has up to now. I hope you agree!

I'd like to have images of representatives from all years, and some of the color variants (interior and exterior), plus a few detail shots. Looking for original and presentable, or restored examples. If any of yours meet those criteria and you want a little national attention, yours could be shown in one or both of those stories. The FW story will be tight for space but Bill at Dispatcher will give me more room and that's where most of the representative images will go. Regrettably, they rarely cover my travel expenses so I can't hire a private jet and fly over to shoot yours ( : < ), but I can use hi res images of nicely posed Supers/Specials with nice backgrounds. If interested, please PM me and I can offer more details on image requirements. There are minor spiffs for those that can help!

Along the same lines, I recently got hold of a fair bit of production information on these rigs but there are still a few holes to be filled. To do that, VINs and production dates could be helpful. I am especially interested in '69 1414D VINs after 300186 (to find the last '69s and get closer to a correct number of how many were built), 1414X VINs after 302989 to help me find the end of the 1414X Dauntless, and VINS/production dates from the 1414X19-600XXX 360 powered rigs to find the beginning and end of those (no info on those in the data I have). I only recently learned those even existed, so any info on them could be helpful. Once I piece things together as well as possible, I'll put that list out to be used by collectors. In the short term, it's helping me with the stories. Thanks for reading!
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Hi Jim,
Welcome here and good luck for your new stories, should be great ones as usual
As you know, i don't have a 1414D or 1414X, only documentations, but several members here have some nice examples
All the best,

Guillaume
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Thanks Guillaume! You've already been a huge help!

By the way, I am trying to document the changes that came to the Super and Special. The big one are obvious but the small one are less well plotted. I know about the gunsights but I see some differences in the shifters. One of the big things I am trying to bunk or debunk is a change of hubcap about the time the Series II Supers debuted. I don't have factory documentation/images of what appear to be the Jeepster Convertible (and SC-1) deluxe "Mag-Style" hubcaps on the later Supers. I know there are a couple running around with them today... but that's not proof that they came that way originally.
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I saw an early Serie II Super with the usual wheel covers with spinner, and it was even written on the window sticker
I also saw a later Serie II with the jeepster hubcaps but i don't know if they were original.
So i am not convinced that Kaiser jeep changed the Super hubcaps, and if they did it, it doesn't seem to be synchronised with the engine change, rather later
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Maybe a clue ? : Cutlas discontinued the specific selective drive wheel hubs for the super wagoneer with the spinner wheel covers in late 68 or early 69, so i guess that the spinner were no more compliant with selective drive wheel hubs : if a customer wanted selective drive wheel hubs he had to change the wheel covers. The serie II example i saw with jeepster mag wheel covers , had the standard selective drive front wheel hubs .
BTW the mag wheel covers are in the parts catalog for V8 wagoneers, but it's confusing : the 1414X is mentioned but i didn't see so far a 1414X with these wheel covers
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Not sure if your still working on this, but I just picked up a 1414x19 600127. Build write up coming soon
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Still keeping track as info comes to light! Please let me know when you post info or images. I'll be notified on this thread but not others. I'll add 1414X-600127 to the list of survivors. Many thanks!
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Jim, not sure if you are tracking all Super and Custom Special VINS and their whereabouts, but here are a couple more-

1967 SuperWagoneer VIN 1414D 101082 (V8 327) is a rusty and rotten shell in a pick and pull in Chula Vista, CA.

1970 Custom Special Wagoner VIN 1414X19 302752 (Buick V8 350) is in my garage in San Diego, CA.

1970 Custom Special Wagoneer VIN 1414X TBD (Buick V8 350) is in work by melford72 and will eventually be in San Diego too.

Any chance you could pm the listing of them or email it, please?
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WagScribe wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:57 am Still keeping track as info comes to light! Please let me know when you post info or images. I'll be notified on this thread but not others. I'll add 1414X-600127 to the list of survivors. Many thanks!
Can you tell me more about your findings? Trying to find out exactly what I got.
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Hi Guys,

Been very busy on the 2nd Edition of (dare I say it in a Jeep forum) International Scout Encyclopedia

Most everything I learned was place into two articles, one in Four Wheeler magazine (linked below) and the other in Dispatcher, the awesome classic Jeep enthusiast magazine (www.DispatcherMagazine.com). The Dispatcher article in the Spring 2019 issue is more extensive because they allowed me much more space. I don't have permission to post a pdf of the Dispatcher but I'll ask. I know you can go to the website and get back issues. Guillaume (mud89) here on the site helped a lot in gathering details. How in hell a Frenchman got so knowledgable on Jeeps, I will never know ( : < ) but I'm glad he is. Jeff Kobs at Wagoneer World helped me a lot too and was going to put a database online, but so far hasn't.

Based on your VIN, you have a '71 Super Custom 1414X Series 2, which was the last evolution of the Super Wagoneer concept that debuted for '66. We don't have the exact count of how many were made, but the current number is 228 based on serial numbers. They had some of the "legacy-luxo" stuff from the original Super but with influence of AMC, the highlight being AMC V8 power. Yours fits inside the known range (1414X-600001-600228) but we think there were more. Not many more, but more. The Series 1 Super Custom was the most numerous of the Super Wagoneer evolution, with 3,159 units known to have been produced (based on VIN counts, more are likely). The Series 2 Super Custom started production on March 6, 1971 and we know they were built sporadically until June.

If you have specific question, ask and I will try to answer.

https://www.fourwheeler.com/features/18 ... n-the-usa/

(Note that in the FW story, the web people eliminated the image captions from the story, so a certain amount of material was lost.
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I photo-documented an unrestored 1414X in Portland, VIN 1414X302629, production date April 1970, nearly 20 years ago, and have doubles of the pictures I took. I don't have time to scan them in, but if you PM me your mailing address I can send you my extra set. It was a very interesting truck, with a PTO front winch.
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Dr.Bob : your 1414X was an awesome example..
Do you have a pic of the paint and trim codes plate on the firewall passenger side, or do you remember the codes ?
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Hi Jim,

I finally bought a few months ago an early 1414X, unfortunately not all original but i couldn't resist
Here are the data for your listing :
VIN : 1414X19 300165
PAINT CODE : 384 (glacier white)
TRIM CODE : 228 (president red, bucket seats)
Date on the DANA20 : 1-27 , which i decode as january 27 1968

I saw another one in pieces in the Netherlands
VIN 1414X19 300376
same colors (paint and trim plate is lost)

By the way i realized recently that there were very knowledgeable Americans about the Citroen DS, everything is possible !

mud89/Guillaume
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Dr.Bob wrote: Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:34 am I photo-documented an unrestored 1414X in Portland, VIN 1414X302629, production date April 1970, nearly 20 years ago, and have doubles of the pictures I took. I don't have time to scan them in, but if you PM me your mailing address I can send you my extra set. It was a very interesting truck, with a PTO front winch.

1970 1414X- small.jpg
Not sure why, but the forum didn't notify me of this until Gillaume replied to you. Watch for the PM. Thanks!
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mud89 wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:14 am Hi Jim,

I finally bought a few months ago an early 1414X, unfortunately not all original but i couldn't resist
Here are the data for your listing :
VIN : 1414X19 300165
PAINT CODE : 384 (glacier white)
TRIM CODE : 228 (president red, bucket seats)
Date on the DANA20 : 1-27 , which i decode as january 27 1968

I saw another one in pieces in the Netherlands
VIN 1414X19 300376
same colors (paint and trim plate is lost)

By the way i realized recently that there were very knowledgeable Americans about the Citroen DS, everything is possible !

mud89/Guillaume
On the 1414X you just bought: Congrats! A couple of questions for the database;

1- Does it have air conditioning?
2- Does it have the console clock?
3- DOes it have the batwing style armrest?
4- What is the production data listed on the VIN sticker?
5- Does it have an SSR&O sticker and, if so, what is the number?
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WagScribe wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:20 am 1- Does it have air conditioning?
2- Does it have the console clock?
3- DOes it have the batwing style armrest?
4- What is the production data listed on the VIN sticker?
5- Does it have an SSR&O sticker and, if so, what is the number?
Responses for mine :
1. No
2. Yes
3. No but could have one originally
4. No sticker before august 1969 ( model year '70) so since it's a 68 she doesn't have a sticker
5. No SSR&0 found but she was repainted , could be lost (as you know most early 1414X have a SSR&0)

Responses for the rig in the Netherlands
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. NA
5. Didn't see one, the VIN plate was in a box..
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Got it, thanks! Wasn't thinking when I asked about the tag date.. I dated the others via production info and forgot. Juggling to many different makes and models!

Amazing numbers of these Jeeps over there. More than I would have expected. I'm as amazed at that as you are about the Citroen DS over here. Worked on a few of those in a short stint at a French car repair shop in the '70s. IIRC, it was the last place in the area certified to do warranty repairs on Simca and a few other makes. I would not take a Simca for free, except at gunpoint. Rather liked driving the Citroens. Not easy to work on, though.
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I’m very interested in all these posts. I just acquired a 1414x19 302771. I actually got it instead of a diamond engagement ring. I would love to find more info about this vehicle.

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Look at the enhanced article I did last year for Dispatcher Magazine: https://www.dispatchermagazine.com/supe ... -jim-allen
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No Idea if this post isstill being monitored, I just picked up a 1971 Special Wagoneer 1414X19 303016 yesterday got the 350 V8 however this one has a manual transmission not sure if it was special ordered, or frankenstiened. several other odd (in my opinion) options on the vehicle. Planning on a semi restore for a Hunting / Camping rig for the wife and I. Exterior was what I believe was an electric Lime something???? crazy Green /Yellow Translucent wigth the wood grain stripe. interiour is like a tan or creme.
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