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I saw afew the other day at the delership, one was a trail hawk. I like them better in person than the pics on the net. still not sure on the front lights though, will probably grow on me. Sales person said they havent had any issues selling them. While I'm not into the suv/crossover thing, thats what the market wants. Good fuel economy and a nice ride are expected. The fact are 85% of them will never see any off payment use, Jeep knows this, thats why the xj,GC and all those ugly little car jeeps were sold in 2wd models. The majority of the offroad crowd will want the wrangler or older jeep for offroading.
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Listening to the XJ Talk show podcast this evening, while walking the dogs, i LOL'ed at the way they ragged on the 2014 Cherokee for being (allegedly) designed by Fiat. I guess the Renault driving fools are forgetting something... :P
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EXACTLY!!!!! ^^^^^^^

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Oh sure, show a modified SJ and XJ next to the stock KL :P Also that SJ looks like a Waggy, not a Cherokee (going by tail lights)?

It actually would be a neat test to take a 100% stock WT SJ Cherokee, XJ Cherokee, KJ Liberty, and KL Cherokee, and take each of them through the Rubicon. See which one makes it through the easiest.

The KL is the only one with a locker, but it has no suspension travel. It also has the most power, although that would not matter much. I think the XJ may win, just because of its smaller size but with solid axles. Although those axles do very little flexing with the sway bars hooked up. So the SJ would win there as there is no rear sway bar, and maybe a front depending on year.
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Stuka wrote: It actually would be a neat test to take a 100% stock WT SJ Cherokee, XJ Cherokee, KJ Liberty, and KL Cherokee, and take each of them through the Rubicon. See which one makes it through the easiest.
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Even though the KL has a rear locker you still can't fully lock in the center diff so it's pretty useless to even have it.

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nc wagoneer wrote:Even though the KL has a rear locker you still can't fully lock in the center diff so it's pretty useless to even have it.

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Yes you can. Not on the lower end models. But the trail hawk has several terrain modes as well as low range.
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Okay, I'd seen the review of the regular models in some off road magazines and online and they complained about it. Hadn't seen a trail hawk review though.

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Grand_Wag_85 wrote:
Stuka wrote: It actually would be a neat test to take a 100% stock WT SJ Cherokee, XJ Cherokee, KJ Liberty, and KL Cherokee, and take each of them through the Rubicon. See which one makes it through the easiest.
Challenge accepted. Currently seeking volunteers :P
There HAS to be somebody in the Jeep community who could put this together...that'd be awesome. Could even allow the best "trim level" of each class to be used.

Which makes me wonder: Out of all SJ Cherokees, what year/trim would be the most trail capable in stock form?
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TUDrewser wrote:
Grand_Wag_85 wrote:
Stuka wrote: It actually would be a neat test to take a 100% stock WT SJ Cherokee, XJ Cherokee, KJ Liberty, and KL Cherokee, and take each of them through the Rubicon. See which one makes it through the easiest.
Challenge accepted. Currently seeking volunteers :P
There HAS to be somebody in the Jeep community who could put this together...that'd be awesome. Could even allow the best "trim level" of each class to be used.

Which makes me wonder: Out of all SJ Cherokees, what year/trim would be the most trail capable in stock form?
'78 WT with a T18a/D20 would be my choice. '79 had a front sway bar, which would limit articulation.
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True a stock XJ or SJ doesnt have the lockers or fancy technology that the new one does, howeer there is a lot more room to modify the SJ and XJ from its stock form. I dont see it being near as easy to do axle swaps, motor swaps, lifts, or almost anything on the KL.
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I'd say if the trash-lock is still somewhat working it would be sj hands down!!!

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Shagoneer wrote:True a stock XJ or SJ doesnt have the lockers or fancy technology that the new one does, howeer there is a lot more room to modify the SJ and XJ from its stock form. I dont see it being near as easy to do axle swaps, motor swaps, lifts, or almost anything on the KL.
Very true. With the exception of a very few vehicles, mods are harder and harder to do without major work. The Wrangler is one of the last easy to mod vehicles, but looks like that will change next generation due to fuel economy standards.


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For the test to be 'fair' wouldn't they all have to be 4DR's? Only a problem for the XJ and SJ.

I agree that the T18/D20 would be the right drivetrain to have but I'm sure some could argue the granny gear to be an unfair advantage. Then again with Jeep guys no matter how fair you try and make it we're gonna pick it apart. :roll:
nc wagoneer wrote:I'd say if the trash-lock is still somewhat working it would be sj hands down!!!
My experience with the Tack-Lok diff is that you need to have some decent throttle going for it to work. Great if you're stuck in the snow but not so much if rock crawling.
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Grand_Wag_85 wrote:For the test to be 'fair' wouldn't they all have to be 4DR's? Only a problem for the XJ and SJ.

I agree that the T18/D20 would be the right drivetrain to have but I'm sure some could argue the granny gear to be an unfair advantage. Then again with Jeep guys no matter how fair you try and make it we're gonna pick it apart. :roll:
nc wagoneer wrote:I'd say if the trash-lock is still somewhat working it would be sj hands down!!!
My experience with the Tack-Lok diff is that you need to have some decent throttle going for it to work. Great if you're stuck in the snow but not so much if rock crawling.
I do not think the T18a would be unfair as its crawl ratio is still worse. The first gear is low (6.32:1), but the D20's low range sucks (2.03:1). So a 70's Cherokee with a T18a/D20 and stock 3.54 gears has a crawl ratio of 45.42:1. The only FSJ with a better crawl is an 80's J20 with a T18a/NP208 (61.53:1)

A new 2014 Cherokee Trail hawk has a crawl ratio of 56:1 thanks to a lower low range, 9 speed transmission, and deeper axle gears.
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This is very similar to the discussion about the newest Range Rover (Evoque? Evo-something). It has a big computer in it that controls the diffs rather than older tech solid axles and lockers. It is very aero-friendly for good (but not great) MPG on the road, especially compared to the old Discovery. Saw the Top Gear guys test one and it actually did fairly well. But it is not a 'traditional' 4x4 so it doesn't carry a lot of respect from the Range Rover crowd. The new Cherokee seems to be following a similar path. Technology makes up for lack of solid axles, etc, that had to fall away to make this a modern vehicle. Saw a 'Limited' model parked in front of the lunch place today. It was OK, the lights are very wierd in person, more so than in the pictures. It looked nice inside though with fancy seats and cupholders and whatnot.
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Saw one in person for the first time the other day. Had to hold down my vomit when I saw the front end but the rest seems okay.

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Sorry to bring the party down, but I also got a chance to see one at a dealer (no test drive, yet). Man, what a terrible car. And no, I don't mean the underlying drivetrain, which is semi-impressive. The design, proportions, and angles are all terrible! The quality is simply not there and the interior, with its roller-coaster lines, made me dizzy and nauseated. In many ways it reminded me of the WJs.

Living in the L.A. area, and being a car guy, I kind of take mental notes on how many vehicles of a certain model I see. After a new BMW is released, they pop up all over. Same with the CR-V, Rav4, Tahoe, and even Range Rover. After the Nissan Juke went on sale, I started seeing them popping up here and there in healthy numbers. The new Cherokee has been on sale for how long now? I just saw my first one a few weeks ago and none since then. I don't know where they're selling, but they certainly aren't to be found around here.

I give Fiat one or two years before they either change the name, the looks, or both.

I actually like the Evoque for what it is. Much better body and interior quality, nice design (especially the two-door!!!!), and I have seen a few of them driving around. That's how you do it. I'd never consider one, but I think it adds to the Land Rover brand and helps build it up, rather than this new Cherokee which is just sullying the Jeep name. Can you imagine if they named the Evoque "Defender" instead?!? Of course Jeep goes the other way. :banghead: Oh well, at least they got the WK2 Grand Cherokee right.
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ROFL!!! Wow - Toyota, take note! Is this how all cars and crossovers are going to look soon?! I hope not!

Any bets on how amazingly good and fresh the Cherokee design will look in 5 years? In my opinion, the new Cherokee is more Aztek than VehiCross (which debuted to much criticism in 1999 but aged well and looks really good today, again imho). Aztek? Still looks just as bad as when it rolled out of the junkyard...oops, I mean, factory!

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