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Re: 84 Grand Wagoneer Revival

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That's exciting! I'm finally getting my slots polished up and waxed, and I ordered a matching spare from a friend from IFSJA. Hopefully I'll be getting a fresh set of 5 tires (and with the matching spare it can be in the rotation!) pretty soon...we'll see
'71 Wagoneer (DD)
-B350 (HEI, iron 4-barrel, Edelbrock 1406), TH400, D20
-'74 D44 front (nonpower discs)
-custom headliner
-Front shoulder belts (rears eventually)

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There are 2 major differences between new Wranglers and FSJs. FSJs are meant to be both utilitarian and capable, not just capable. FSJs are also rarely initially recognized as Jeeps by the average American.
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Re: 84 Grand Wagoneer Revival

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Ok....Saturday I am shopping for tires.

As I want this rig to be a mule for towing and hauling, I want at least 8 ply, but also an A/T closer to road tread for more hiway use vs off road.

Thinking either 30x9x15 or 31x10.5x15 (has that now), but budget says around $150 a tire.

Is this even possible? Thinking Discount Tire to start, with a ton of local shops available as well.

Tried looking at tires online, and the info is like trying to learn another language, but a bird in the hand for me is priceless.

I want to see it to compare one over another.
'81 CJ5 Base, 258 I6, MC2100, T176 4 spd, 300 TC, D30 Front NT, 3.31, 2-Piece AMC 20 rear NT, 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift
'84 Grand Wagoneer, 401 V8 (.030 over), MC2150 HA Comp, 727 auto, Selec-trac NP229, AMC 20 REAR - D44 FRONT - WT 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift
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84 Grand Wagoneer Revival

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Kumho Road Venture AT’s are pretty good tires. My parents have and still do run them on quite a few vehicles.

https://www.discounttire.com/buy-tires/ ... ure-a-t-51

They are $157 a piece for 31x10.50r15’s on discount tire (linked above).


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Re: 84 Grand Wagoneer Revival

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That is what I have on my CJ5, but those are about 20 years old.

Bought it with those on it in 2019, and I think we figured they were 2003 tires?

Something like that, but it gets driven enough to keep them in shape.
'81 CJ5 Base, 258 I6, MC2100, T176 4 spd, 300 TC, D30 Front NT, 3.31, 2-Piece AMC 20 rear NT, 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift
'84 Grand Wagoneer, 401 V8 (.030 over), MC2150 HA Comp, 727 auto, Selec-trac NP229, AMC 20 REAR - D44 FRONT - WT 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift
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If you can find a sale on Good Years, I've heard/read good things about the Trail Runners, both on here and in person. I'm not going to go to them personally, but I'm sticking with a 225/75r15 A/S anyway.

If you're ok with running a 235/75r15 (stock size), you can get the all seasons with lots of towing capacity pretty cheap. I was looking pretty hard at the Toyo Celsius tires (which they make for cars as severe snow service rated, and trucks as not). The 235/75r15 is going to be a lot cheaper but I can see why you'd want the bigger tires.
'71 Wagoneer (DD)
-B350 (HEI, iron 4-barrel, Edelbrock 1406), TH400, D20
-'74 D44 front (nonpower discs)
-custom headliner
-Front shoulder belts (rears eventually)

viewtopic.php?t=23070

There are 2 major differences between new Wranglers and FSJs. FSJs are meant to be both utilitarian and capable, not just capable. FSJs are also rarely initially recognized as Jeeps by the average American.
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Not so much sold on bigger tires, as I like the smaller diameter for torque reasons, and could not give a crap about the looks.

Rather have it carry the load, have the power band where it needs to be, over what others think it should "look" like while it does what I want.

95% of my planned use is as a mule, to carry cargo and pull trailers on the road, so a quiter AT tread is preferred.

Problem with the stock tires was the ply rating was mostly for comfort, and not so much for heavier loads, so once you start adding ply ratings the cost goes up.

Someone suggested the Dextero AT sold at Walmart for $124, which is not bad, and said 8 ply 31x10.5x15
'81 CJ5 Base, 258 I6, MC2100, T176 4 spd, 300 TC, D30 Front NT, 3.31, 2-Piece AMC 20 rear NT, 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift
'84 Grand Wagoneer, 401 V8 (.030 over), MC2150 HA Comp, 727 auto, Selec-trac NP229, AMC 20 REAR - D44 FRONT - WT 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift
Rather be driving, than waiting to be modified
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ITS FINALLY ROLLING....WOOHOO :)

https://youtu.be/-dh0mhokGPA
'81 CJ5 Base, 258 I6, MC2100, T176 4 spd, 300 TC, D30 Front NT, 3.31, 2-Piece AMC 20 rear NT, 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift
'84 Grand Wagoneer, 401 V8 (.030 over), MC2150 HA Comp, 727 auto, Selec-trac NP229, AMC 20 REAR - D44 FRONT - WT 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift
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Went with Discount Tire and the Pathfinder 235x75Rx15 XT Owl, and they are only about 1/2 inch shorter than the 31's, but higher load capacity, which is what my use will be, and not needing the off road tread.

All in @ $376 for 2 tires @ $125 ea with all the bells & whistles.
'81 CJ5 Base, 258 I6, MC2100, T176 4 spd, 300 TC, D30 Front NT, 3.31, 2-Piece AMC 20 rear NT, 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift
'84 Grand Wagoneer, 401 V8 (.030 over), MC2150 HA Comp, 727 auto, Selec-trac NP229, AMC 20 REAR - D44 FRONT - WT 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift
Rather be driving, than waiting to be modified

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Nice! Hoping I can hold out until spring for my tires...
'71 Wagoneer (DD)
-B350 (HEI, iron 4-barrel, Edelbrock 1406), TH400, D20
-'74 D44 front (nonpower discs)
-custom headliner
-Front shoulder belts (rears eventually)

viewtopic.php?t=23070

There are 2 major differences between new Wranglers and FSJs. FSJs are meant to be both utilitarian and capable, not just capable. FSJs are also rarely initially recognized as Jeeps by the average American.

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Re: 84 Grand Wagoneer Revival

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If it has been lifted, then yes, the angle shims could have been installed to correct pinion angle. The front may need them too to correct caster.
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Re: 84 Grand Wagoneer Revival

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???
Stoffregen M-sports wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 12:48 pm If it has been lifted, then yes, the angle shims could have been installed to correct pinion angle. The front may need them too to correct caster.
'81 CJ5 Base, 258 I6, MC2100, T176 4 spd, 300 TC, D30 Front NT, 3.31, 2-Piece AMC 20 rear NT, 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift
'84 Grand Wagoneer, 401 V8 (.030 over), MC2150 HA Comp, 727 auto, Selec-trac NP229, AMC 20 REAR - D44 FRONT - WT 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift
Rather be driving, than waiting to be modified
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New shoes are always nice :D

Jealous of the $125ea. Just put 4 new 37’s on Broncno :o nuff to make a grown man cry :( but they look good and drive good, find out soon if they wheel good :D
The bus I ride is so short it is a yellow Smart Car full of squirrels, monkeys and clowns.

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Re: 84 Grand Wagoneer Revival

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Yep, but my wheelin will be 95% paved or gravel roads, not wheelin like your talkin....wheelin!

I have a CJ5 for that :)
'81 CJ5 Base, 258 I6, MC2100, T176 4 spd, 300 TC, D30 Front NT, 3.31, 2-Piece AMC 20 rear NT, 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift
'84 Grand Wagoneer, 401 V8 (.030 over), MC2150 HA Comp, 727 auto, Selec-trac NP229, AMC 20 REAR - D44 FRONT - WT 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift
Rather be driving, than waiting to be modified
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You mean like this??? 🤣
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The bus I ride is so short it is a yellow Smart Car full of squirrels, monkeys and clowns.

1970 J2500 Resto Mod
https://www.fsjnetwork.com/forum/viewt ... 12&t=21395

1974 Bronco “Broncno”
https://classicbroncos.com/forums/threa ... st-3411909

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Apologies. I was answering a question you had on page two, almost a year ago...
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Yeller wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:57 pm You mean like this??? 🤣
Are you SURE that's a Bronco? The wheel openings don't look round enough to me... 😉
'71 Wagoneer (DD)
-B350 (HEI, iron 4-barrel, Edelbrock 1406), TH400, D20
-'74 D44 front (nonpower discs)
-custom headliner
-Front shoulder belts (rears eventually)

viewtopic.php?t=23070

There are 2 major differences between new Wranglers and FSJs. FSJs are meant to be both utilitarian and capable, not just capable. FSJs are also rarely initially recognized as Jeeps by the average American.
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Re: 84 Grand Wagoneer Revival

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Sorry for the short highjack Devildog….

Only the 80 and up ones are round all the early ones were more square
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https://www.fsjnetwork.com/forum/viewt ... 12&t=21395

1974 Bronco “Broncno”
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Re: 84 Grand Wagoneer Revival

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All good as we love to see all the toys we play with :)
'81 CJ5 Base, 258 I6, MC2100, T176 4 spd, 300 TC, D30 Front NT, 3.31, 2-Piece AMC 20 rear NT, 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift
'84 Grand Wagoneer, 401 V8 (.030 over), MC2150 HA Comp, 727 auto, Selec-trac NP229, AMC 20 REAR - D44 FRONT - WT 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift
Rather be driving, than waiting to be modified
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Update

Found the parasitic bleed seemed to come from the alternator, as it would get warm if neg cable left on when engine shut off.....ok, so we found the #2 post on the plug in was wired to batt post on alternator.

Took that off and no more bleed.....but no charging either.....#2 wire went back to batt post on alternator....charging again.

In the process we fried the #2 on the plug of new alternator, so old alternator went back on the truck, but now to find where the bleed is.....again we search :/

Tried to bleed brakes and back bleeders are fused to the casting of wheel cylinders.

New wheel cylinders on the way.

Got the 2 new tires, so can drive it around the block, and transmission shifts really smooth and when it should.

Get the other 2 tires next week and can get going more than 25 mph, to see how it feels getting back to life again.
'81 CJ5 Base, 258 I6, MC2100, T176 4 spd, 300 TC, D30 Front NT, 3.31, 2-Piece AMC 20 rear NT, 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift
'84 Grand Wagoneer, 401 V8 (.030 over), MC2150 HA Comp, 727 auto, Selec-trac NP229, AMC 20 REAR - D44 FRONT - WT 3.31, 4" high arc spring lift
Rather be driving, than waiting to be modified

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Re: 84 Grand Wagoneer Revival

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That's super exciting! I bet it feels good to be able to drive it around some after all those stupid distributor issues you were chasing...
'71 Wagoneer (DD)
-B350 (HEI, iron 4-barrel, Edelbrock 1406), TH400, D20
-'74 D44 front (nonpower discs)
-custom headliner
-Front shoulder belts (rears eventually)

viewtopic.php?t=23070

There are 2 major differences between new Wranglers and FSJs. FSJs are meant to be both utilitarian and capable, not just capable. FSJs are also rarely initially recognized as Jeeps by the average American.
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